After talking with Greg Dupree, it sounds like the B&B isnt that great of a design and isnt built all that well. Sure my HKS isnt the prettiest girl on the block, but she sure gets the job done. I am not out to win a beauty contest. This board is just B&B obsessed, I have no idea why. Its just the cool thing to have I guess. Hell, even my girlfriend who hated my exhaust since day one said the other day, its really not that bad looking :) Sure sounds good now with split downpipes and testpipes.